Q. Was there a specific event or person that
inspired you to write What Matters Most?
A. I was describing the scene of my father's
funeral—a terrible moment in my own life—to a
friend and I started to laugh. It struck me how
people behave in comic ways even during the most
traumatic times. I wanted to reimagine the scene
with fictitous characters. Thus, the idea for the
novel was born.
Q.
One of the themes of this novel is keeping
secrets within a family. What drew you to this
topic?
A. Discovering secrets struck me as a good frame
for a story about psychological growth. It lent
itself to character development and dramatic
tension. In the novel I'm working on now, family
secrets also play a major role in the plot. I
guess this particular theme fascinates me.
Q.
The story is seen primarily through Georgie's
eyes even though the novel is written in the
third person. How "autobiographical" is you
novel?
A. I think most fiction writers blend their own
emotional responses to the world with those
they've observed in other people along with
descriptions and circumstances they've
experienced, all of which they inject into
imaginary events and characters. For example,
Georgie's sensibility is much like mine, as is
her sense of humor. I lost my father to cancer
several years ago, although not to lymphoma. I
have two sons, so I drew upon life experience in
my portrayal of Jesse. And my background is
Russian Jewish. But the plot and situations are
fictional, and the characters are either
composites of people I know or imaginary.
Q.
What was the hardest fictional situation to
imagine?
A. Well, one of them was being a single mother.
Georgie has it pretty good in terms of her
relationship with her ex-husband, Lucas, and the
fact that he is wealthy and financially generous.
It was a stretch for me because my husband
divides most of the childrearing and/or chores
with me and we are not affluent like Lucas
Carter.
Q.
You changed the voice and the sequence of events
in the middle of the book? Why?
A. I played around with this section a lot. In
early drafts, sections of Estelle's past appeared
throughout the novel but, ultimately, this
structure didn't work because it gave away too
much of the plot. I felt a lot of empathy for the
young Estelle and became very interested in the
history of women in medicine in the United
States. I've read some great books about the
subject.
Q.
What writers influence or inspire you the most?
A. As a child, the greatest influence on me was
Madeline L'Engle's
A Wrinkle in Time
because it inspired me to write fiction. When I
was ten years old I wrote a hundred fifty page
novel about time travel; I wrote every day at
sleepaway camp during rest time. In high school
and college, the writers I read most voraciously
were James Joyce, William Faulkner, Virginia
Woolf, and Jane Austen. More recently, I read and
adored A. S. Byatt's
Possession
and Edith Wharton's
House of Mirth.
I often return to the poetry of T. S. Eliot, W.
H. Auden, and two of my teachers from my graduate
school days, Galway Kinnell and Philip Schultz,
for inspiration. I admire so many contemporary
writers, including Michael Cunningham, Rachel
Cusk, Kathryn Harrison, Scott Spencer, Elinor
Lipman, Elizabeth Strout, Andrew Sean Greer,
Nancy Reisman, and the nonfiction of Lauren
Slater, Bonnie Friedman, and Anne Lamott.
Q.
In general, what motivates you to write a novel
and what do you find to be the hardest challenge?
A. Character and theme come to me first.
In
What Matters Most,
I wanted to write about loss and its aftermath,
the changes in my protagonist's life after her
father—upon whom she relies for emotional
support—dies. Plot is always the hardest thing
for me to sustain. Gradually, I've learned to
think more in terms of plot and not just to
"superimpose" it upon the characters.
Q.
is there any kind of novel you'd like to attempt
that you haven't yet?
A. I'm considering writing a historical novel,
one that takes place in the late nineteenth
century and deals with themes that interest
me—women's burgeoning role in the field of
medicine, the mistreatment of woman by society
and the medical community, Freud and the dawn of
psychoanalysis—but I find the prospect daunting.
I wrote one chapter of this novel to which I may
someday return, but I found myself bogged down
with details like Victorian clothing, plumbing,
and the exact routes of the Baltimore and Ohio
Railroad! I have literally hundreds of pages of
research that I amassed from the Internet or
various books. It was exhausting. While I enjoy
research, I think I might torture myself over
these kinds of specifics. I so admire Tracey
Chevalier for what she accomplished in
both
Girl with the Pearl Earring
and especially
The Lady and the Unicorn
(which I loved).
Q.
What are you working on now?
A. I don't like to give too much away out of some
silly notion that it will jinx the writing. But,
suffice it to say, it's a novel
about two sisters who are very close—one of whom
struggled with mental illness and has suddenly
chosen to become public with her condition in a
manner that offends her
loved ones and discloses shocking secrets about
her past.
Comic Novel Smacks of Autobiography:
Doth the Author Protest Too Much?
By Susan Shapiro
Eve
Sterling, the 30 year-old heroine of the comic
new novel
Redeeming Eve
(Permanent Press), is a
neurotic
Jewish New Yorker with a chaotic life who is
obsessed with 18th century literature. She's
envious of her friends' love lives and writes a
thesis titled
Emma's Entitlement: Jane Austen's Feminist
Role Models.
She dreams of escaping the stressful demands of
academia, marriage and motherhood. Mostly she
wants to escape her overbearing Jewish mother,
Maxie Sterling, a television social worker who
has taken maternal intrusiveness to a new level
by discussing her daughter's fertility on her
nationally syndicated television show,
Mornings with Maxie.
Over a recent cup of coffee in Greenwich Village,
Nicole Bokat, the pretty and witty author whose
funny first novel was published last month,
insisted that
Redeeming Eve
is pure fiction. Never mind that Ms. Bokat, 41,
is a self-admitted neurotic Jewish New Yorker
with a chaotic life who has a doctorate in
literature and loves Jane Austen. Never mind that
her own mother, Mona, recently had her paged at
the radiologist's office as she was getting a
mammogram and calls her up to impart such advice
as "It's un-American that your kids don't ride
bikes." Or that Ms. Bokat gave birth to her
second child at Long Island Jewish Hospital,
where her mother is a neonatal social worker.
"My mother had just won some big fight with her
supervisor at work. All these people kept coming
into my room to congratulate her," Ms. Bokat
said, laughing. "I didn't know them. I'd just
given birth. I was on morphine."
So what did her mother think of her fictional
debut? "She was insulted. She said, 'You didn't
put your brother in the book.' I said, 'Mom, it's
fiction.' She said, 'I just hope your in-laws
never see it." (In the book, Eve's in-laws think
being good Jews means "pulling out the electric
Menorah once a year and cleaning your mink for
the high holidays." Eve's mother-in-law, Norma,
is described as looking like a cross between
"Morticia" from
The Addams Family
and Jo Anne Worley from
Laugh In.)
Ms. Bokat, whose family name was originally
"Bakatursky," grew up the oldest of three
children in a Reform family in Great Neck. Like
Eve's father, Ms. Bokat's father (the late Peter
Bokat) was a psychiatrist. Following in his
footsteps, Ms. Bokat's younger sister is a
psychiatric resident at Beth Israel. Her brother
is a sports writer. Ms. Bokat was a good student
who remembers hiding in her room, reading.
She
always wanted to be a writer. After majoring in
English at Barnard, she completed her master's
degree and doctorate at New York University in
1992. She admired such British and Irish authors
as Austen, Edna O'Brien and Virginia Woolf,
admitting that she was attracted to "the
Protestant restraint, the graceful and cerebral
female characters who were not victims." Her
thesis, on "the more neurotic" Margaret Drabble,
was published under the title
The Novels of Margaret Drabble: ‘This
Freudian Family Nexus.’
Yet Ms. Bokat is also a fan of such Jewish
authors as Alice Hoffman and Lynn Sharon
Schwartz.
As in Austen's work, Ms. Bokat grapples with
struggles between the sexes and classes.
In
Redeeming Eve,
Eve pines for her old boyfriend Graham, a rich
WASP professor who idolized the big Johns: Updike
and Cheever. Yet she winds up falling for a
sweet, poor Jewish photographer named Hart
Goodman. Donning a Yiddish accent, Hart jokes,
"I'm just a merchant class Jew from the wrong
side of Delancey Street. You smarty pants
Jews—with your big degrees and fancy
addresses—always making us feel like real Yids."
By marrying Hart, Eve winds up coming to terms
with her roots.
Ms. Bokat admitted that, in real life, she once
dated a rich WASP professor who idolized Updike
and Cheever. Twelve years ago she married the
sweet and Jewish Jay Lindell, a communications
executive at Ernst & Young. They live with
their two sons, 10 year-old Noah and 6 year-old
Spencer, in Montclair, N.J. She has published
essays in such women's journals as
On the Issues,
Iris,
Troika
and
Z Magazine.
She currently teaches writing at NYU and at The
New School.
Juggling work, marriage and motherhood has been
difficult, she said, adding that she writes at
night and when her children are in school. "I've
never made much money as a writer or an
academic," she said, although she's hopeful that
a new novel she has started, about two
emotionally entwined sisters, will be her
commercial breakthrough. Though Eve hates
therapy, Ms. Bokat confessed to being in therapy
"endlessly…dealing with mostly first daughter
stuff—wanting desperately to please my parents,
being overly critical of myself, not thinking
I've achieved enough."
She said that several of the dynamic women
characters in
Redeeming Eve
are based on actual family members and that she
is proud she had such strong female role models.
Her great aunt, Stella Koenig, a fundraiser,
published a nonfiction book. Her father's mother,
Helen Bokat, had a master's degree in teaching
from Columbia. Her maternal grandmother, Bracha
Skulnick, a singer in the Yiddish theater who
spoke Yiddish, Hebrew, Russian and English,
participated in the Workmen's Circle "Weekly
Forum" sponsored by the
Yiddish Forward,
and recorded an album of Yiddish songs.
At the end of
Redeeming Eve,
realizing how much her mother loves her, Eve
forgives Maxie for her eccentricities. These days
Ms. Bokat also seems to feel liberated from
mother/daughter struggles. "My mother worries
more than I do, but she had kids much sooner than
I did, in her early 20s. And I have sons, which
might be easier." She said she is grateful that
her mother always told her she could be anything
in life that she wanted. "I remember when I was a
cheerleader at Great Neck North High School—I
didn't yet realize cheerleading wasn't a feminist
thing to do—and some girl made fun of me. My
mother said, 'They're just jealous because you're
prettier and smarter."
Added Ms. Bokat half seriously: "She was rooting
for me so much it made me nervous."
